Completely agree - it was shameful what happened with these contracts - a disgrace.



I can understand the urgency and the need to circumnavigate the tender process but no excuse in giving contracts to firms/individuals who have np experience/expertise in that field.



They rushed the vaccine through but at least the producers had a track record in respect of Pharma.

I was talking about transmission after being vaccinated, rock all to do with lockdown.

It does now seem that Hancock and co are happy that the vaccine does prevent those vaccinated from spreading the virus, although they still dont know whether this is the case with some of the covid variants.

As for lockdown, of course the numbers have come down.



IF "we" had closed our borders and had a proper lockdown previously, as some other nations have done, we could have prevented the 2nd and 3rd lockdown and been on top of the job.



As things are, the vaccine(s) seem to be doing the job and hopefully, things can begin to open up over the summer..

The US closed their borders and the infection rate was amongst the worst in the world. It wouldn't have been practical given the UK is the largest transit hub in Europe. Easy in NZ or Aus.



I agree with much of what you put the vaccine is the game changer - In Israel where a big chunk of people have been vaccinated transmission has fallen off the end of a cliff - which would suggest transmission is slowed down amongst those who have been vaccinated.

Assuming that Boris is right and we are "fully open" in the UK towards the end of June, it will be interesting to see how overseas travel can open up.

The French were citing "the English variant" for a recent spike in their own cases, which doesn't half put the cat among the pigeons as far as overseas travel is concerned.

It's starting to look like vaccine certificates will be here before too long, to add yet another twist to the road to "freedom"



Just getting back to your opening comment. It shouldn't matter what sort of "transit hub" the UK may or may not be.

We should have tightened our border controls way, way more than we did.

There is no point whatsoever in trying to control the virus within the country, if we are going to allow people to fly in and out as the please, it's utterly stupid and it's taken nearly 12 months for government to even begin to realise this.

Of course this would make life more difficult for some but, it's difficult for most people already.

I don't disagree with you but we allowed all those holidays in July and August and most of the people coming into the country in March and April were UK citizens - should they have been banned from coming home?



Uk holiday makers are a huge revenue source for the likes of Spain and Greece - it will be tough to turn those hundreds of millions away again for a second year.

Doubt it. Labour set the precedent for breaking the law with no jail time

Complains about whataboutery one minute.





Engages in whataboutery the next.

Steph has always been a third rate troll, in all of his previous basketball player guises.

Iv'e just had my first jab, the AZ, and they said the side effects might start to........从明天起生效

I havent looked but, there are sure to be vaccine certificates available on line.

Have you developed a sudden taste for dried exotic insects yet

Quote Cokey="Cokey"Iv'e just had my first jab, the AZ, and they said the side effects might start to........从明天起生效 '" So far 205 'official' deaths and 114,000 adverse reactions in the UK to the Astra Zenica crud https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... nt__2_.pdf , given we know that these are massively under reported just like the Pfizer poison that has officially killed 197 and over 77,000 adverse reactions https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... nt__1_.pdf I hope you're one of the lucky ones.

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Quote 48756c6c20 524c4643="48756c6c20 524c4643"So far 205 'official' deaths and 114,000 adverse reactions in the UK to the Astra Zenica crud https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... nt__2_.pdf , given we know that these are massively under reported just like the Pfizer poison that has officially killed 197 and over 77,000 adverse reactions https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... nt__1_.pdf I hope you're one of the lucky ones.'" It must be terrible leaving in a constant state of terror and paranoia.

He won't have an answer. These people just latch onto whatever is in the news. When we reach the end of the tunnel he'll move on to the next conspiracy theory, probably something from the US. Joe Biden's secret plot to enforce Communism on the state of Idaho, something like that.

You are now banned sine die. 48756c6c20 524c4643 Sick of your stupidity and misleading posts. Do you even know what it is you have posted. 20 million people have been inoculated/ within 2 weeks of getting the inoculation 111 people died. Without post-mortems etc you do not know why they died. But if 4 million old people get an injection you would expect some of them to die. There is no direct correlation between the stats you are providing and the vaccine https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00290-x It is explained there . But regardless you are banned you are post misleading stuff without having one ing idea on what you are posting trying to mislead people into not having the vaccine is beyond the. Pale. Whilst stupidity is not against the AUP posting stuff that is dangerous is

You are now banned sine die. 48756c6c20 524c4643 Sick of your stupidity and misleading posts. Do you even know what it is you have posted. 20 million people have been inoculated/ within 2 weeks of getting the inoculation 111 people died. Without post-mortems etc you do not know why they died. But if 4 million old people get an injection you would expect some of them to die. There is no direct correlation between the stats you are providing and the vaccine https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00290-x It is explained there . But regardless you are banned you are post misleading stuff without having one ing idea on what you are posting trying to mislead people into not having the vaccine is beyond the. Pale. Whilst stupidity is not against the AUP posting stuff that is dangerous is

No one has officially died from taking a vaccine. They have just died within a short time frame from taking the vaccine. Did you know on average 20000 people die a month within 14 days of having a haircut? Same principle. Let’s ban haircuts

Quote Durham Giant="Durham Giant"You are now banned sine die. 48756c6c20 524c4643 Sick of your stupidity and misleading posts. Do you even know what it is you have posted. 20 million people have been inoculated/ within 2 weeks of getting the inoculation 111 people died. Without post-mortems etc you do not know why they died. But if 4 million old people get an injection you would expect some of them to die. There is no direct correlation between the stats you are providing and the vaccine https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00290-x It is explained there . But regardless you are banned you are post misleading stuff without having one loving idea on what you are posting trying to mislead people into not having the vaccine is beyond the. Pale. Whilst stupidity is not against the AUP posting stuff that is dangerous is'" The guy is a wazzock of that there is no doubt, and I wouldn’t miss him for one moment but not sure it qualifies for a permanent ban - like you say it’s not against the AUP (I’ll take your word for that) A lot of people put misleading/untruths on here without the same recriminations

Quote Durham Giant="Durham Giant"You are now banned sine die. 48756c6c20 524c4643 Sick of your stupidity and misleading posts. Do you even know what it is you have posted. 20 million people have been inoculated/ within 2 weeks of getting the inoculation 111 people died. Without post-mortems etc you do not know why they died. But if 4 million old people get an injection you would expect some of them to die. There is no direct correlation between the stats you are providing and the vaccine https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00290-x It is explained there . But regardless you are banned you are post misleading stuff without having one loving idea on what you are posting trying to mislead people into not having the vaccine is beyond the. Pale. Whilst stupidity is not against the AUP posting stuff that is dangerous is'" The guy is a wazzock of that there is no doubt, and I wouldn’t miss him for one moment but not sure it qualifies for a permanent ban - like you say it’s not against the AUP (I’ll take your word for that) A lot of people put misleading/untruths on here without the same recriminations

Not a decision I took lightly and I have referred it to admin as I did my previous warning about his conspiracy theories that Covid is a hoax.

At that point I PMed the poster and said he could post what he wanted but to keep away from misleading conspiracy theories which in my view were dangerous. I accepted his posts about the pain of lockdown being worse than opening up that is a matter of opinion .



To try to mislead people into not having a vaccine based on an erroneous and unfounded understanding of facts was in my view dangerous



It may fall foul of the AUP about misleading information .



I have posted this on the mods board and asked for views about 4 weeks ago As I felt uncomfortable about trying to clamp down on the right to free speech but on balance I felt I would rather do that than allow for dangerous stuff to be posted .



Anyway admin are looking at it and I am happy to abide by their decision.

You have my support. These people are a danger to society and there are vulnerable people out there who can be scared/influenced by their unfounded bullsh*t.



Well done.

Coronavirus put in perspective...



England Data



Cases [Positive PCR – 3,694,339*

[i*Estimated Asymptomatic cases according to the NHS [1 in 3 – 1,231,446[/i



[iEstimated number of cases [past infections according to the Office of National Statics by December 2020 in the general community excluding hospitals, care homes and/or other institutional settings – 5,400,000[/i



Total Patients admitted to hospital – 384,852

Breakdown by age (slight reporting lag behind above total):-

Patients admitted aged 0-17 – 5,183

Patients admitted aged 18-64 – 134,700

Patients admitted aged 65-84 – 159,267

Patients admitted aged 85+ – 80,985



Total Deaths PCR positive within 28 days – 109,602

Deaths recorded in hospitals – 83,917

[iRemaining 25,000+ deaths occurred in care homes / hospices[/i



Hospital deaths by age [uwith No[/u pre-existing health condition

0-19 yrs - 9

20-39 yrs - 78

40-59 yrs - 588

60-79 yrs – 1,459

80+ yrs – 1,355



Hospital deaths by age [uWith [/upre-existing health condition

0-19 yrs - 29

20-39 yrs - 499

40-59 yrs – 5,318

60-79 yrs – 30,589

80+ yrs – 43,993



Condition - Count of condition - % of all hospital deaths with condition



Asthma - 6,290 - 8%

Chronic Kidney Disease - 13,648 - 17%

Chronic Neurological Disorder - 2,192 - 3%

Chronic Pulmonary Disease - 12,995 - 16%

Dementia – 13,187 - 16%

Diabetes - 21,603 - 26%

Rheumatological Disorder - 2,539 - 3%

Ischaemic Heart Disease - 8,244 - 13%

Other - 60,216 – 73%



[iPatients that have died may have had more than one pre-existing condition.[/i



Does anyone know where I can find the case breakdown by age data?

Is what you're trying to say that 100,000 people are dead but they were amongst the weakest and most vulnerable in our society so... meh?

Based on the data I'd say the UK Government, NHS and SAGE have done an appalling job in protecting/saving the weakest and most vulnerable in our society. Everyone involved in those organisations should hang their heads in shame. Second highest C19 death toll (deaths per million) in the world. Roll on the public inquiry.