bloody fanatical Christians, all over Europe, making our laws (I wont go on)

You usually do though

unlike your good self, I suppose?

You usually do

is that irony?

I wonder if Comrade Putin is feeling a bit left out this morning? Will the stereotypical small man/big chip be pouting in the Kremlin, as he realises that once again, he's a wallflower?

After all, what's the point of dressing up in your bestest uniform, and do some serious posing in your own back yard, but you still don't get an invite to the Big Boys Party



Sucks to be you Vladimir....

So, we are officially at war again.

There was even black & white cockpit imagery to prove it on my TV screen this morning.

A Tornado dropping a Brimstone missile blowing a vehicle to smithereens.....................

I was thankful to Theresa May yesterday when, during her speech to the brain-dead she informed me that IS "was not Islamic and it's not a state". She's far too smart to be just a Home Secretary

She also warned us they could acquire ''chemical, biological or even nuclear weapons'' and that they are operating ''within a few hours flying time of our country''.

At least it's gone up from 45 minutes.

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Looks like war !!!

Are any of these laws actually made up with huge influence from the pages of the Christian book though?



I don't think so, unlike the nutty Islamic folk, who like to create their rules of everyday living from the pages of their barmy religious books.



Its why they aren't interested in democracy - Democracy equals common sense and the rejection of religion in general.

hundreds of our laws are based on Christian dogma.

Rubbish... While historically they may have their roots in Christian values, most are just based on supposed common sense - Yes, we rightly still frown on theft and treat it as a crime, but we don't take adultery too seriously nowadays, do we?



However, many Islamic nations have their laws deeply entrenched in their religious texts - Their dire treatment of the female Muslim is ample proof.

sorry, it's not a reason for divorce anymore, is it?



oh, hang on.

But it isn't because of some barmy Christian rule that people divorce if one of those in the marriage is committing adultery, its because its pretty much a common sense conclusion to a failed relationship?



There is a difference between using religious books as a guide to life and using religious books as a strict rule to life....

Equally as many Christian nations treat homosexuality far worse than some Muslim countries treat women

Agreed, but Standee was trying to claim that Western governments somehow draw up their policies around the teachings of the Bible, in the same way that some Islamic countries rule their populations by the demands of the Quran - I'd suggest that with the change in attitudes and policies with regards to gay people, and with an esteemed Western leader like Tony Blair even being recently voted as a Gay icon, that being a homosexual in a 'Christian' Europe isn't quite as bad as being a woman in a strict Islamic country?

Try being a homosexual in a christian country like Uganda.



The fact that some rulers have chosen to take an extreme view of what they consider a holy book is not the sole province of followers of Islam.



Malaysia is a Muslim state but whenever I've been there most of the women have dressed in a similar manner to many western women.



A radical and extreme interpretation of a book is not the sole preserve of Muslims and I would argue has less to do with religion than a desire to dictate to others how they should live their lives

Again, I agree with you, but I was referring to the fact that Standee thinks most of Europe is under a similar style of governance to Uganda, or any country using a holy book to dictate their population's lives.

While many religeons have issues with primarily sexual preferences and activity, only 1 ( and a tiny minority of it ) has openly declared that all who dont follow it should die



So who would that be

I take it you're a Religious person, hence, can see no wrong in how it dictates lives and laws in the West.



Shopping hours on a Sunday...

1) A religion is not a person (who - WTF?)



2) Misinterpreting a religion is not the fault of the religion, it is the fault of the individual.



Peter Sutcliffe was from Bradford but only a fool would try to blame Bradford for Peter Sutcliffe

Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"1) A religion is not a person (who - WTF?) 2) Misinterpreting a religion is not the fault of the religion, it is the fault of the individual. Peter Sutcliffe was from Bradford but only a fool would try to blame Bradford for Peter Sutcliffe'" 100% agreed anyone who doubts how stupid religion is, should have a listen to this (or go see it) saw this on Saturday evening in the West End, if you have time, listen to it (NSFW/kids) https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... CqJ_9vFxRo

Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"1) A religion is not a person (who - WTF?) 2) Misinterpreting a religion is not the fault of the religion, it is the fault of the individual. Peter Sutcliffe was from Bradford but only a fool would try to blame Bradford for Peter Sutcliffe'" 100% agreed anyone who doubts how stupid religion is, should have a listen to this (or go see it) saw this on Saturday evening in the West End, if you have time, listen to it (NSFW/kids) https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... CqJ_9vFxRo

No, I'm not a religious person, but I can easily live without doing a bit of extra grocery shopping on a Sunday..... However, I'm not sure living without my head for the 'crime' of not choosing to follow a certain faith would be as simple?

your total lack of understanding of the situation is noted.