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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:14 am 
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Dally wrote:So less that 1/10 of one percent in 1961. As I said Islam was not practised here historically to any great extent.

Still not sure what point you're trying to make by repeating that.






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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:26 am 
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The BBC have named one of the attackers and describe him as being from a devout Christian family but who converted to Islam during his time at college. The police are searching 2 addresses - one in Greenwich and another in Lincolnshire.

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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:32 am 
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Dally wrote:No but a Muslim spokesman on the BBC was saying these kids get indocrinated by some Muslim clerics, which was the point I made (as opposed to the one you would like to think I made).


That 'some' Muslim clerics attempt to radicalise young men doesn't seem to be a particularly good reason to attack your nearest mosque. So your point was irrelevant. I'm sure 'some' Catholic preachers attempted to radicalise young men during the NI conflict.






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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:46 am 
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rumpelstiltskin wrote:A refreshingly large dose of common sense and realism there in that interview.

I switched off when the bloke kept repeating the mantra about British foreign policy 'in the Muslim world'. Had he said that the terrorists had to take responsibility for themselves for their own radicalisation, acknowledging that all adult human beings had the ability to make choices (which they do), then I would have continued to listen. But I'm not interested in excuses for the kind of behaviour witnessed in London yesterday. If spokespeople on TV continue to blame the British government's foreign policy for Islamist terrorism then why are they surprised if Muslim clerics brush the same under the carpet (to use the TV spokesperson's own words).






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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:48 am 
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So why do a number of Muslims think they have to attack Western countries?






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Chris28 wrote:So why do a number of Muslims think they have to attack Western countries?


Because Europe is a cancer, Islam is the answer.

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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:55 am 
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Mintball wrote:You do?

Could you post links to all these increasing accounts of attacks like this, please. I must have missed them.



Oh sorry. I get it. You've misunderstood what I've said and linked my comment to a beheading. There have been various attacks over the years, hasn't there minty. By the religious extremists you so despise.

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Dally wrote:My guess is yes but with a little help from their friends (ie manipulative radical Muslims who used them and drugs).


Well the "little help from their friends" if there were any and who they were are the important questions.

If they acted alone I see little difference between this and the equally abhorrent killings of the two policewomen in Manchester.

That wasn't classed as terrorism and this should not be either whatever the perpetrators say was their motive. Classifying it as terrorism elevates (if that is the right word) the crime to a status it does not warrant.






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SaintsFan wrote:I switched off when the bloke kept repeating the mantra about British foreign policy 'in the Muslim world'. Had he said that the terrorists had to take responsibility for themselves for their own radicalisation, acknowledging that all adult human beings had the ability to make choices (which they do), then I would have continued to listen. But I'm not interested in excuses for the kind of behaviour witnessed in London yesterday. If spokespeople on TV continue to blame the British government's foreign policy for Islamist terrorism then why are they surprised if Muslim clerics brush the same under the carpet (to use the TV spokesperson's own words).


Precisely. But this is the rubbish our national, taxpayer funded, broadcaster puts out as being balanced and reasonable and suckers that the person you answered buy it.

We should heed George Bush;'s words to the effect you are either for us or against us. We should do so by calling all British citizens to stand in public and declare their allegiance to the UK, a set of defined values and its laws. Those unwilling to do so should be asked to leave to somewhere they feel they may have more affinity for.

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Dally wrote:Precisely. But this is the rubbish our national, taxpayer funded, broadcaster puts out as being balanced and reasonable and suckers that the person you answered buy it.

We should heed George Bush;'s words to the effect you are either for us or against us. We should do so by calling all British citizens to stand in public and declare their allegiance to the UK, a set of defined values and its laws. Those unwilling to do so should be asked to leave to somewhere they feel they may have more affinity for.


Perhaps we could introduce some sort of mandatory salute as well.






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