FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  

Home The Sin Bin Referendum on gay marriage?



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 218 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 ... 22  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Referendum on gay marriage?
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:36 pm 
In The Arms of 13 Angels
In The Arms of 13 Angels
User avatar

Joined: Mar 08 2002
Posts: 26578
Location: On the set of NEDS...
cod'ead wrote:Getting Married


Well you learn something every day.
cod'ead wrote:Getting Married


Well you learn something every day.






Image


ebay's Rugby League Bargains ¦ Boost Your eBay Sales ¦ Recommended Amazon Stuff ¦ Get a Free Ink Cart!!! ¦ Quins RL T-Shirts, BRAND NEW DESIGNS

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Referendum on gay marriage?
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:37 pm 
Club Coach
Club Coach
User avatar

Joined: Jul 22 2008
Posts: 16170
Location: Somewhere other than here
Big Graeme wrote:No, all flavours of Christianity can as can Judaism (there maybe a few more), anyone else need a certificate from the registry office but they do not need to have the civil ceremony. Pretty much the same as up here with Humanist weddings.

Incorrect. The Church of England is the established church in England and only its ministers are registrars. In the case of all other faiths as well as other Christian denominations, a couple have to legally register their marriage with a registrar in addition to completing their religious ceremony.






Success is not final; failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. (Winston Churchill)

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Referendum on gay marriage?
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:40 pm 
Club Owner
Club Coach
User avatar

Joined: Jun 05 2003
Posts: 18299
Location: YO31
Here's a little song on the subject. Lovely stuff.

I got married two weeks ago, it was the happiest day of my life. There should be no way that any two people could be denied the opportunity to experience it.

:)
Here's a little song on the subject. Lovely stuff.

I got married two weeks ago, it was the happiest day of my life. There should be no way that any two people could be denied the opportunity to experience it.

:)






@GavWilson

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Referendum on gay marriage?
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:40 pm 
In The Arms of 13 Angels
In The Arms of 13 Angels
User avatar

Joined: Mar 08 2002
Posts: 26578
Location: On the set of NEDS...
SaintsFan wrote:Incorrect. The Church of England is the established church in England and only its ministers are registrars. In the case of all other faiths as well as other Christian denominations, a couple have to legally register their marriage with a registrar in addition to completing their religious ceremony.


That's the one thing we lack up here is the Church of England...






Image


ebay's Rugby League Bargains ¦ Boost Your eBay Sales ¦ Recommended Amazon Stuff ¦ Get a Free Ink Cart!!! ¦ Quins RL T-Shirts, BRAND NEW DESIGNS

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Referendum on gay marriage?
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:49 pm 
Club Coach
Club Coach
User avatar

Joined: Jul 22 2008
Posts: 16170
Location: Somewhere other than here
Rock God X wrote:You've never done anything other than defend the Church and its teachings. You're no more 'agnostic' than Kirkstaller.

I haven't defended anything. I simply know a lot about the church (in particular the Church of England) and know something of the other monotheistic religions also. I also happen to agree that by granting gay people marriage, it is changing the meaning of marriage in this country as has been understood and legally recognised for centuries. And I'm not backing that assertion up with evidence again as I have already presented evidence to back that up.

Quote:Are you seriously trying to suggest that Christians don't believe that The Bible is the 'word of God'? Seriously?

I didn't say that at all. I said there were two interpretations of 'the word of God': the Bible as an inspired text and Jesus. That is what I said before, that is what I have said now.

Quote:"As we know, the Sacred Scriptures are the written testimony of the divine word..."

"Sacred Scripture is the speech of God as it is put down in writing under the breath of the Holy Spirit."

Beautiful. In what way does that contradict what I said?

Quote: Human beings have been around for 200,000 years or so, so the fact that a particular religion controlled marriage in this country for 700 years or so does not mean they 'own' it.

It does if it is that version of the ceremony that is being changed, which it is.

Quote:Civil marriage, by your own admission, has existed since 1836, so the church has had no 'ownership' of those marriages for nearly 200 years.

Upon what do you think the civil marriage was based? For example, when did it become culturally acceptable for children to be born 'outside of wedlock' as the old-fashioned saying went?






Success is not final; failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. (Winston Churchill)

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Referendum on gay marriage?
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:02 pm 
In The Arms of 13 Angels
In The Arms of 13 Angels
User avatar

Joined: Mar 08 2002
Posts: 26578
Location: On the set of NEDS...
SaintsFan wrote:Upon what do you think the civil marriage was based?


Erm the same things religious marriages are based on, the pagan rites the Christians co-opted to make their faith attractive to followers of other belief systems.

Where do you think we get expressions like living over the brush or tying the knot come from.

SaintsFan wrote:For example, when did it become culturally acceptable for children to be born 'outside of wedlock' as the old-fashioned saying went?


You are better off trying to work out when it became culturally unacceptable.






Image


ebay's Rugby League Bargains ¦ Boost Your eBay Sales ¦ Recommended Amazon Stuff ¦ Get a Free Ink Cart!!! ¦ Quins RL T-Shirts, BRAND NEW DESIGNS

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Referendum on gay marriage?
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:18 pm 
International Chairman
International Chairman
User avatar

Joined: May 25 2002
Posts: 37704
Location: Zummerzet, where the zoider apples grow
Big Graeme wrote:That's the one thing we lack up here is the Church of England...


You should be so lucky






The older I get, the better I was

Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't

I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."

cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Referendum on gay marriage?
PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 2:28 am 
International Chairman
International Board Member
User avatar

Joined: Feb 17 2002
Posts: 28357
Location: MACS0647-JD
SaintsFan wrote:Incorrect. The Church of England is the established church in England and only its ministers are registrars. In the case of all other faiths as well as other Christian denominations, a couple have to legally register their marriage with a registrar in addition to completing their religious ceremony.


Almost completely incorrect. Well done.

The CAB has a fairly succinct summary of the position:

Quote:The Church of England and the Church in Wales are allowed to register a marriage at the same time as performing the religious ceremony.

Ministers and priests of all other religions i.e. not C of E can be authorised to register marriages and must have a certificate or licence to do so from the local Superintendent Registrar. For Jewish and Quaker marriages, the authorisation is automatic. For all other religions, if the official performing the ceremony is not authorised, either a Registrar must attend the religious ceremony or the partners will need to have separate religious and civic ceremonies.


If you want chapter and verse, then see (not the Bible, but) ss.53, 54 et al Marriage Act 1949.






Last edited by Ferocious Aardvark on stardate Jun 26, 3013 11:27 am, edited 48,562,867,458,300,023 times in total

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Referendum on gay marriage?
PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 5:07 am 
International Chairman
International Chairman
User avatar

Joined: May 25 2002
Posts: 37704
Location: Zummerzet, where the zoider apples grow
According to Tatchell on last night's QT, same-sex marriage was only specifically excluded from the Marriage Act after an amendment was passed in 1971






The older I get, the better I was

Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't

I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."

cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Referendum on gay marriage?
PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 7:22 am 
In The Arms of 13 Angels
In The Arms of 13 Angels
User avatar

Joined: Mar 08 2002
Posts: 26578
Location: On the set of NEDS...
Ferocious Aardvark wrote:Almost completely incorrect. Well done.

The CAB has a fairly succinct summary of the position.


Thanks for that, I knew I had read something like that when we were looking into Humanist ceremonies but I was damned if I could find it.






Image


ebay's Rugby League Bargains ¦ Boost Your eBay Sales ¦ Recommended Amazon Stuff ¦ Get a Free Ink Cart!!! ¦ Quins RL T-Shirts, BRAND NEW DESIGNS

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 218 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 ... 22  Next





It is currently Sun Dec 01, 2024 8:55 pm


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 127 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


It is currently Sun Dec 01, 2024 8:55 pm
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
19m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
leeds owl
2640
36m
Film game
Boss Hog
5909
45m
NBR Does Smithers have a hangover
Deadcowboys1
11
47m
Ground Improvements
poplar cats
241
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
Father Ted
550
Recent
Leeds away first up
PopTart
54
Recent
Friendlies
Deadcowboys1
3
Recent
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63302
Recent
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40837
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Leeds away first up
PopTart
54
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63302
2m
2025 COACH Brad Arthur
Vic Mackie
257
2m
Super League
Dr Dreadnoug
26
3m
2025 Squad Numbers
Jake the Peg
27
3m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Tarquin Fueg
4059
3m
Recruitment rumours and links
Smiffy27
3555
3m
Co-Captains for 2025
Vic Mackie
19
7m
NBR Does Smithers have a hangover
Deadcowboys1
11
10m
Friendlies
Deadcowboys1
3
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Sam Luckley likely to miss the beginning of new season
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Frankie Halton sign new deal
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Transfer chatter for 2025 - New Dec 1st tamper date
Jake the Peg
7
TODAY
Trinity shop Sunday opening
phe13
1
TODAY
Tyler Craig
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Matty Ashurst testimonial dinner
Big lads mat
1
TODAY
2025 Squad Numbers
Jake the Peg
27
TODAY
England Women Las Vegas train-on squad
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Quiz night
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Co-Captains for 2025
Vic Mackie
19
TODAY
Cornwall has a new owner
CM Punk
2
TODAY
Callum Shaw
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad Numbers
phe13
4
TODAY
Rhinos squad numbers
Rixy
1
TODAY
Squad numbers
Warrior Wing
8
TODAY
Mat Crowther pre season update
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Mike Cooper podcast
Smiffy27
20
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
Trojan Horse
50
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield - St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
19m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
leeds owl
2640
36m
Film game
Boss Hog
5909
45m
NBR Does Smithers have a hangover
Deadcowboys1
11
47m
Ground Improvements
poplar cats
241
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
Father Ted
550
Recent
Leeds away first up
PopTart
54
Recent
Friendlies
Deadcowboys1
3
Recent
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63302
Recent
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40837
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Leeds away first up
PopTart
54
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63302
2m
2025 COACH Brad Arthur
Vic Mackie
257
2m
Super League
Dr Dreadnoug
26
3m
2025 Squad Numbers
Jake the Peg
27
3m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Tarquin Fueg
4059
3m
Recruitment rumours and links
Smiffy27
3555
3m
Co-Captains for 2025
Vic Mackie
19
7m
NBR Does Smithers have a hangover
Deadcowboys1
11
10m
Friendlies
Deadcowboys1
3
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Sam Luckley likely to miss the beginning of new season
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Frankie Halton sign new deal
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Transfer chatter for 2025 - New Dec 1st tamper date
Jake the Peg
7
TODAY
Trinity shop Sunday opening
phe13
1
TODAY
Tyler Craig
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Matty Ashurst testimonial dinner
Big lads mat
1
TODAY
2025 Squad Numbers
Jake the Peg
27
TODAY
England Women Las Vegas train-on squad
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Quiz night
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Co-Captains for 2025
Vic Mackie
19
TODAY
Cornwall has a new owner
CM Punk
2
TODAY
Callum Shaw
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad Numbers
phe13
4
TODAY
Rhinos squad numbers
Rixy
1
TODAY
Squad numbers
Warrior Wing
8
TODAY
Mat Crowther pre season update
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Mike Cooper podcast
Smiffy27
20
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
Trojan Horse
50
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.