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McClennan wrote:How are those bomb pilots more innocent than Saddam's men? I'm not sure what the repercussions would be for men not following Saddam's instructions but I bet it was far worse than what US/UK soldiers would face if they refused orders. Given Iraq's consistent human rights violations over the decades I'm probably even underestimating that. I doubt US/UK bomber pilots operated under the same amount of fear and stress yet they are able to still justify this? Isn't that just as cold-blooded a killing?
Don't take the righteous justification away from them otherwise their totally fooked.
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20 years ago tonight the ORACLE teletext service disappeared from our TV screens
20 years ago tonight the ORACLE teletext service disappeared from our TV screens
The older I get, the better I was
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------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not to either to save or to destroy slavery, If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it" - Abraham Lincoln
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not to either to save or to destroy slavery, If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it" - Abraham Lincoln
The older I get, the better I was
Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan
Joined: May 25 2002 Posts: 37704 Location: Zummerzet, where the zoider apples grow
Ajw71 wrote:The Emancipation Proclamation was a shrewd political move which ensured no European powers were going to enter the war on the side of the Confederacy.
Typical right-wing opportunism then? Nowt much changed since then, just tell everyone what they think they want to hear. Then when it comes to the end-game, hopefully it'll be someone else's problem. Lincoln left the whole sorry mess to Democrat Andrew Johnson to sort all the crap out.
Nowt much has changed really
The older I get, the better I was
Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan
Joined: Apr 01 2003 Posts: 2155 Location: The Land Of The Sand
cod'ead wrote:Typical right-wing opportunism then? Nowt much changed since then, just tell everyone what they think they want to hear. Then when it comes to the end-game, hopefully it'll be someone else's problem. Lincoln left the whole sorry mess to Democrat Andrew Johnson to sort all the crap out.
Nowt much has changed really
Change right wing to left wing and you can describe the last 2 labour governments I've had the misfortune to live under in this country.
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cod'ead wrote:Typical right-wing opportunism then? Nowt much changed since then, just tell everyone what they think they want to hear. Then when it comes to the end-game, hopefully it'll be someone else's problem. Lincoln left the whole sorry mess to Democrat Andrew Johnson to sort all the crap out.
Nowt much has changed really
I wouldn't call it opportunism really. It was a calculated move after Antietam. Lincoln had always planned to issue the proclamation after a Union victory.
As for seeing it through, well he was assassinated with 3 years left of his term, as I am sure you know.
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