bren2k wrote:A general election has to happen - the Govt is fundamentally broken; so a long delay to Article 50, which the EU would allow for a significant democratic event, and let the people decide who they want to pick up the pieces.
I can envision a Labour government brokering a much softer Brexit, which the EU have already agreed in principle and would certainly command a majority in the HoC, then putting it back to the people for a final say - hard to argue that that isn't democratic.
I can't stomach the thought of a Labour government, they would spend, spend, spend all over again.
we could try not holding the election polls on a Giro Thursday, maybe try a Saturday/Sunday when more people would vote (but that is a different conversation), IF Labour ever get back into power in the UK I will have to leave, and it won't be a soft exit!
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May should look at how Jacinda Ardern has managed a national crisis with humility, intelligence, respect & leadership, without trying to show everyone how tough she is.
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MGarbutt1986 wrote:IF Labour ever get back into power in the UK I will have to leave, and it won't be a soft exit!
It wont be that easy if we are out of Europe & the former Empire wont want a man at your age & with your limited abilities. However, I have some contacts & will try & swing it for you. I'd even pay your plane fare.
“At last, a real, Tory budget,” Daily Mail 24/9/22 "It may be that the honourable gentleman doesn't like mixing with his own side … but we on this side have a more convivial, fraternal spirit." Jacob Rees-Mogg 21/10/21
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tigertot wrote:It wont be that easy if we are out of Europe & the former Empire wont want a man at your age & with your limited abilities. However, I have some contacts & will try & swing it for you. I'd even pay your plane fare.
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She's not wrong though. Throughout, MPs from all parties have put their own individual agendas ahead of reaching a reasonable agreement with the EU. Strings of ridiculous amendments and blocking mechanisms have done nothing but weaken our position.
Even now, when agreement is urgently needed, they cannot help but waffle on more about general elections and other irrelevant rubbish than solving the issue at hand.
Cross party would never have worked, as proven by Corbyn's childish reaction yesterday.
So tough titties to any poor offended MPs I'm afraid. Play your games and pray you have a job next time round, because the anger is palpable and frankly they deserve all the scorn being poured their way.
Cronus wrote:She's not wrong though. Throughout, MPs from all parties have put their own individual agendas ahead of reaching a reasonable agreement with the EU. Strings of ridiculous amendments and blocking mechanisms have done nothing but weaken our position.
Even now, when agreement is urgently needed, they cannot help but waffle on more about general elections and other irrelevant rubbish than solving the issue at hand.
Cross party would never have worked, as proven by Corbyn's childish reaction yesterday.
So tough titties to any poor offended MPs I'm afraid. Play your games and pray you have a job next time round, because the anger is palpable and frankly they deserve all the scorn being poured their way.
Labour not fit to govern, never have been, idealists is the polite description.
Terrorists with a mandate is the other, with Corbyn and Abbott in key posts, they hate the UK, they have made that clear.
Cronus wrote:She's not wrong though. Throughout, MPs from all parties have put their own individual agendas ahead of reaching a reasonable agreement with the EU. Strings of ridiculous amendments and blocking mechanisms have done nothing but weaken our position.
Even now, when agreement is urgently needed, they cannot help but waffle on more about general elections and other irrelevant rubbish than solving the issue at hand.
Cross party would never have worked, as proven by Corbyn's childish reaction yesterday.
So tough titties to any poor offended MPs I'm afraid. Play your games and pray you have a job next time round, because the anger is palpable and frankly they deserve all the scorn being poured their way.
Cronus wrote:She's not wrong though. Throughout, MPs from all parties have put their own individual agendas ahead of reaching a reasonable agreement with the EU. Strings of ridiculous amendments and blocking mechanisms have done nothing but weaken our position.
Even now, when agreement is urgently needed, they cannot help but waffle on more about general elections and other irrelevant rubbish than solving the issue at hand.
Cross party would never have worked, as proven by Corbyn's childish reaction yesterday.
So tough titties to any poor offended MPs I'm afraid. Play your games and pray you have a job next time round, because the anger is palpable and frankly they deserve all the scorn being poured their way.
IF there were a general election, it wold probably resolve the issue. We would either end up with a no deal Brexit (the Gove / Rees-Mogg option) or a much softer Brexit (the Corbyn option). Either way, a general election would re shape the outcome.
Cronus wrote:She's not wrong though. Throughout, MPs from all parties have put their own individual agendas ahead of reaching a reasonable agreement with the EU. Strings of ridiculous amendments and blocking mechanisms have done nothing but weaken our position.
Even now, when agreement is urgently needed, they cannot help but waffle on more about general elections and other irrelevant rubbish than solving the issue at hand.
Cross party would never have worked, as proven by Corbyn's childish reaction yesterday.
So tough titties to any poor offended MPs I'm afraid. Play your games and pray you have a job next time round, because the anger is palpable and frankly they deserve all the scorn being poured their way.
That's an interesting take - even the hardest of hard Brexiteers don't agree with her handling of it - and place significant blame at her feet for the impasse we've arrived at; so quite how you can apportion it all to "MP's," but exonerate the universally vilified PM, is quite a leap, even for you.
This whole thing is borne out of Mrs May's absolute refusal to put the national interest ahead of keeping her knackered old party together; if she'd worked cross-party on something that could achieve a majority from the get-go, it would be done and dusted by now - instead, she allowed the ERG and the DUP to hold her to ransom in pursuit of a vanishingly small majority, and has singularly failed to listen, learn or adapt when her approach was rejected on a historic level.
The only good that could come of this, is that it could destroy the Tories as an electoral prospect for years to come.
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