Not sure which countries are about to be invited into the EU? Turkey certainly isn't while Erdogan is imprisoning journalists/anyone he doesn't like. Even before he came along it was unlikely.



We do more trade with the EU than anywhere else and by being part of is manage to share costs for heaps of things that we wouldn't otherwise be able to afford on our own. The argument about buying cars from Germany has already fallen flat since those companies have already gone on record saying they don't want to jeopardise the single market. We'll just have to pay more for them.



Our current deal where we have a veto and rebate is pretty good. Better in fact than anyone else in it.

Agreed



It's also astonishing that the 27 EU nations managed to ratify the proposal in 40 minutes and yet "our" government is still in utter dissaray.



Assuming thet this doen't make it through parliament, do we then crash out with "no deal" and if so, what happens to the Irish border.

I think that Sheldon probably has it about right - since there is no way that the Maybot will call a GE anytime soon; she'd consign the Tories to opposition for years.



I don't necessarily support a People's Vote, but given that the Tories will cling to power like rats on a sinking ship, I think it's the only option we'll get once the HoC rejects the deal.

Its obvious - this is a great deal for one side and not the other.



The idea that we are tied in to the back stop unless we let the all of Europe into our waters to take our fish and we let the Spanish have Gibraltor - that is the reality.



We would be better off with no deal than the restrictions the EU will put on us to get out of the back stop

Well done Margaret Thatcher.



What are these cost savings we couldn't achieve?



You argument is flawed as there are heaps of countries outside of the EU that mange to trade very happily with the EU why couldn't we?

It's quite clear that the EU will put its own interests first.

Of course they will still trade with the UK and the UK with them.

However, we will now become "competitors" and assuming that the current bill makes it through Parliament, how do you fancy our chances negotiating the actual "trade deal", are you starting to feel out numbered or small yet ?



We've already allowed the EU to lead us by the nose through the withdrawal agreement and to suddenly expect that we will get the better of them in the main event is just fantasy.



The reality will start to bite at some point when we finally see that Farage is indeed a self serving **** and his promises of a brighter future were just political rhetoric or FAKE NEWS.

The EU may well need our armed forces sooner or later. The Russian bear is flexing his muscles. Hence the flash point the other day with Russian ships blocking access to Ukraine shipping. We have forces stationed in various European countries which were part of the soviet block.Russia makes no secret that they still regard them as part of the former Soviet Union Funny the snake oil salesmen macron or merkel never mentions our contribution to peace in that part of the world. Germany pays virtually nothing into nato, no doubt it will require nato to perform if the political situation deteriorates. Perhaps we should send a bill to Germany for all the money we paid to defend Germany during the Cold War.

Approximately seven countries are negotiating to join the EU. Albania is one of them, seeing what goes on in that country should be enough reason alone for us to leave the EU. This is why people voted to leave the EU it was a free trade block of countries. Absolutely fine and dandy ,but the clowns in Brussels decided to make the thing political. Also expanding at an unsustainable level.

Any evidence for that cobblers?



Germany & UK have recently announced a 'deepening relationship' on defence, irrespective of Brexit. Germany & Holland are currently developing advanced defence systems suitable for deployment to the Baltic.



Your ongoing anti-German diatribe is pathetic. Fortunately I don't know you, but I would put my mortgage on you being a typical gammon man.

Good grief I have certainly touched a raw nerve with you. I will debate with anyone on here in a respectful manner.so I won’t be trading insults with you. I am not In any way anti German, I used to work for a major German company overseas . Have many German friends also have traveled Germany extensively. The fact remains that due to the euro German exports have soared whilst countries such as Italy have struggled because they are locked into the euro which doesn’t suit the Italian economy.

For example we'd find it cheaper to fund a GNSS system like Galileo as part of a group of nations than alone.

Where is your evidence?

Congratulations you have posted without resorting to insults. Hope springs eternal. In 2014 Nato countries agreed to spend 2 percent of gdp on nato. Despite Germany being one of the richest countries in the world they have failed that target. The USA is the largest contributor. Hence trump with some justification criticising Merkel. Evidence? Look on various web sites all the information tallies. Plus the economist magazine which is quite reliable. The situation may change if the so called European army come to fruition. Highly unlikely ,but you never know. Incidentally in the build up to the referendum the subject of a European army was mentioned by the leave campaign. The remain movement sneered at that topic, false news,scaremongering etc etc. Funny old world isn’t it.

You said;



It is one of the biggest contributors. You are talking rubbish.

Are you for real - is that the best you can come up with - desperate.

How is it that Germany pays in less than the UK yet has a bigger GDP?

I think the chances of doing a deal are pretty good - we import more from the EU than they do from us so I would suggest it is in their interest to do a deal.



The withdrawal agreement wont get through Parliament so either the EU soften their stance or we leave no deal - I know which I think the EU would rather go for. This will be a shock for Junker, Tusk etc. Its about time we stood up to be counted

A mere 10bn Euros. A drop in the ocean. We'll have a dozen.

Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"How is it that Germany pays in less than the UK yet has a bigger GDP?'" Do they? https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pa ... ay-below-1 That wasn't the point. Backwardsman stated Germany pays virtually nothing.

Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"How is it that Germany pays in less than the UK yet has a bigger GDP?'" Do they? https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pa ... ay-below-1 That wasn't the point. Backwardsman stated Germany pays virtually nothing.

Quote tigertot="tigertot"Do they? https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pa ... ay-below-1 That wasn't the point. Backwardsman stated Germany pays virtually nothing.'" In relation to gdp and the mountain of cash Germany has accumulated. Plus Putin has for many reasons is once again threatening the east European nations so maybe Germany will have to pay it’s fair share. A few months ago Cronus had a withering put down for several people on here. He quite rightly accused them of being more concerned for people not of this nation. No doubt I will be accused of being a little englander, nationalist etc etc. Meanwile In the real world a referendum took place, one side lost and one side one. Funny how people have forgotten that.

Quote tigertot="tigertot"Do they? https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pa ... ay-below-1 That wasn't the point. Backwardsman stated Germany pays virtually nothing.'" In relation to gdp and the mountain of cash Germany has accumulated. Plus Putin has for many reasons is once again threatening the east European nations so maybe Germany will have to pay it’s fair share. A few months ago Cronus had a withering put down for several people on here. He quite rightly accused them of being more concerned for people not of this nation. No doubt I will be accused of being a little englander, nationalist etc etc. Meanwile In the real world a referendum took place, one side lost and one side one. Funny how people have forgotten that.

Think you and tigertot might care to study our part in the Berlin air blockade. World war three was about to kick off. Thanks to the bravery and flying skills of several nations including our RAF pilots the crisis was averted. Maybe you would also like to study the Marshall plan that got Europe and Germany back on its feet after the Second World War. So in view of the help Germany has had since the Second World War, not too much to ask is for them to pay a bit more into the kitty.

Did you deliberately lie about Germany paying virtually nothing or are you just ignorant?

I have more in common with my family in Germany & Eastern Europe than I have with the racists & xenophobes of the UK. I am European.

so the deal they are looking at means an end to free movement and we dont have to pay into that EU buckets anymore



sounds good to me



lets face it, the whole referendum was in the main about immigration (also having our own laws and not paying £350m a week to the EU)



strange how thats not being talked about now and all it seems to be about on the news is trade deals...... money men having their say/influence on the media again.



anyway lets see if it passes first, not looking likely which may end up us having a no deal!

Just when you were doing so well you have reverted back to insulting people. I have a Different view to you so i am ignorant.

As for the old tired cliches of racist and xenophobes , surely you can do better than that. You look to be in a downward spiral. However i remain optimistic you can raise your game. As for bullseye, seems like he is a bit smarter than you, so I will have to be on top form with him.

Finally, the truth will out!











Well let's hope so, for your sake anyway.