Mixed talk of gunfire, stabbings and a van mowing people down around Borough Market, London Bridge and possibly Vauxhall. One chap says he saw armed police firing at someone - fingers crossed there are no civilian fatalities and the only gunfire is armed police giving some bstard his ticket to the 72 virgins.
Time will tell.
I'm sure someone will come along to tell us it's our fault for not being nicer to Muslims.
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We shouldn't have shot we should have tried to reason with them until they got tired of stabbing people!!
There will some on here who think this is the fault of the "white ruling class" - these people who did this are nothing but low level scumbags the fact they do it in the name of religion puts that religion in its true light.
Jeremy just wants to keep talking!!
Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.
Sal Paradise wrote:We shouldn't have shot we should have tried to reason with them until they got tired of stabbing people!!
There will some on here who think this is the fault of the "white ruling class" - these people who did this are nothing but low level scumbags the fact they do it in the name of religion puts that religion in its true light.
Jeremy just wants to keep talking!!
You really do talk some crap, maybe we should just nuke someone to make you feel better, it would really help. Where are you sending the first warhead ?
Taking out terrorist's who are trying to maim and kill innocent people, should never be a problem. Totally agree with your sentiments on "religion" though.
IF this is in the name of ANY god, it's time to find a different path.
Cronus wrote:Yes, all of which I've already mentioned if you care to read back.
BTW, don't take the BBC drama as gospel. As good as it was, they skirted around the elephant in the room. Yes, the 'white trash' aspect was a factor but don't underestimate the part fear of being labelled racist or anti-Islam played in the failure to take action earlier.
And the reasons people focus on the race aspect is that this is a very specific and widespread issue of (gangs of) Pakistani men preying on underage white girls, and because it was allowed to go unprosecuted for so long in part due to race.Fact is, the race of the victims is a key motivating and indeed titillating factor to the perpetrators. Anyone simply placing it alongside other cases of child abuse is missing or denying the point, which is that there exists a specific cultural problem that shouldn't simply be lumped in with other areas of child abuse.
Good lord, when even a hugely left-wing Muslim commentator at The Indy is acknowledging the problem, you know there must be a problem. Well worth a read.
As I said the morivation of those who raise this is coming through loud and clear.
I do not rely on BBC dramas for my understanding of this. I was dealing with this sort of stuff on a daily basis 12 years ago. Around organised abuse
Cleveland Police had a campaign to drive prostitutes out of Middlesbrough. They harassed prostitutes and took car number plates of any car driving through certain parts of Middlesbrough which were not registered to a Middlesbrough address. Letters were sent to people's homes stating your car was seen in a red light area please note the police are watching you ( that was a quick summary)
As a result all the prostitutes stopped working in Middlesbrough.
Cue the chief constable on TV saying we have solved prostitution in Middlesbrough.
Except they had not. All the prostitutes had gone to work in Stockton 4 miles away.
Unfortunately the area they chose was near a couple of children's homes and near services for care leavers. The net result was loads of kids in care started prostituting themselves. They were targeted by groups and gangs. Some of it organised some of it ad hoc. I chaired numerous meetings around this.
Guess what 99% of the blokes involved were called peter , john Charlie or ginger. Not one Mohammed or Asif etc. Yes Islam but more so some of the cultural ideas that go with it is a backward religion but actually all religions are backwards.
One of the big issues is the oversexualisation of society, young men come from veryy repressed backgrounds who feel like they are in a smarty shop and any non Muslim girl is fair game.
What I would like to know from Cronus and Sal is what is their solution.
Because in regard to this it is not just Muslim men who are the problem .
Cronus wrote:Yes, all of which I've already mentioned if you care to read back.
BTW, don't take the BBC drama as gospel. As good as it was, they skirted around the elephant in the room. Yes, the 'white trash' aspect was a factor but don't underestimate the part fear of being labelled racist or anti-Islam played in the failure to take action earlier.
And the reasons people focus on the race aspect is that this is a very specific and widespread issue of (gangs of) Pakistani men preying on underage white girls, and because it was allowed to go unprosecuted for so long in part due to race.Fact is, the race of the victims is a key motivating and indeed titillating factor to the perpetrators. Anyone simply placing it alongside other cases of child abuse is missing or denying the point, which is that there exists a specific cultural problem that shouldn't simply be lumped in with other areas of child abuse.
Good lord, when even a hugely left-wing Muslim commentator at The Indy is acknowledging the problem, you know there must be a problem. Well worth a read.
As I said the morivation of those who raise this is coming through loud and clear.
I do not rely on BBC dramas for my understanding of this. I was dealing with this sort of stuff on a daily basis 12 years ago. Around organised abuse
Cleveland Police had a campaign to drive prostitutes out of Middlesbrough. They harassed prostitutes and took car number plates of any car driving through certain parts of Middlesbrough which were not registered to a Middlesbrough address. Letters were sent to people's homes stating your car was seen in a red light area please note the police are watching you ( that was a quick summary)
As a result all the prostitutes stopped working in Middlesbrough.
Cue the chief constable on TV saying we have solved prostitution in Middlesbrough.
Except they had not. All the prostitutes had gone to work in Stockton 4 miles away.
Unfortunately the area they chose was near a couple of children's homes and near services for care leavers. The net result was loads of kids in care started prostituting themselves. They were targeted by groups and gangs. Some of it organised some of it ad hoc. I chaired numerous meetings around this.
Guess what 99% of the blokes involved were called peter , john Charlie or ginger. Not one Mohammed or Asif etc. Yes Islam but more so some of the cultural ideas that go with it is a backward religion but actually all religions are backwards.
One of the big issues is the oversexualisation of society, young men come from veryy repressed backgrounds who feel like they are in a smarty shop and any non Muslim girl is fair game.
What I would like to know from Cronus and Sal is what is their solution.
Because in regard to this it is not just Muslim men who are the problem .
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100% Wire wrote:IS there a solution? Maybe Sadiq Khan is right. Maybe it's a case of "oh well, tough t*ts, you live in a big city, deal with it"...
Not really in the context that he used that expression. He said that terror attacks are part and parcel of living in a major city, he wasn't saying its acceptable - just that it's currently a reality.
Sal Paradise wrote:Jeremy just wants to keep talking!!
WTF has this to do with Corbyn?!
It may have escaped your notice - but the terrorist attacks have taken place under a Tory government, with Mrs May as the Home Secretary for 6 years.
It's a disgusting and sickening crime, designed to divide; when people take to social media to condemn all Muslims, they are doing exactly what the terrorists want.
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bren2k wrote:WTF has this to do with Corbyn?!
It may have escaped your notice - but the terrorist attacks have taken place under a Tory government, with Mrs May as the Home Secretary for 6 years.
It's a disgusting and sickening crime, designed to divide; when people take to social media to condemn all Muslims, they are doing exactly what the terrorists want.
So should we praise Islam - say what a great job they are doing? We don't see Buddhists, Christians or Hindu does this sort of stuff?
Jeremy talking is about his attitude - he has previous with extremists - if he is what you want go vote Labour
Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.
It may have escaped your notice - but the terrorist attacks have taken place under a Tory government, with Mrs May as the Home Secretary for 6 years.
It's a disgusting and sickening crime, designed to divide; when people take to social media to condemn all Muslims, they are doing exactly what the terrorists want.
God I'm bored of hearing this naive response of the terrorists want to divide. Simply they want to kill and they have done. They'll view yesterday and Manchester as great successes, not failures because people didn't condemn them enough on FB. The way to stop these acts are to toughen up on people with extremist views, not putting on a smile and say let's carry on our normal lives and that'll show them. When another attack happens and god forbid a family member or friend of yours is murdered are you going to still say the next day "oh well let's just carry on as normal".
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