Ferocious Aardvark wrote:What was that? I thought I heard a whooshing noise of olympic proportions.
Mind you, the woman who employed a dyslexic tattooist and has now got "Oylmpic Torch Bearer" tattooed on her probably had a lucky escape from a law suit.
Phew.......... I thought it was going to say "Oylmpic Torch Beaver"
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JerryChicken wrote:Having just handed them, £54million (???) in management fees to, erm, manage, then I'd expect something a bit more tangible from them, especially as they left it until the very last minute to declare that they weren't up to the job, and in fact had one of their directors boasting the day before they admitted that they couldn't do the job, that in fact they could probably do the job twice over.
No argument from me. Like I said, throw the book at them and kick them in the financials. And move on.
Quote:Having just spent the thick end of £10bn and built a whole new council estate with part of that money then yes, I'd expect the service workers to be provided with accomodation if they require it, presumably they are working unsocial hours and its fairly commonplace for service providers in the hospitality business to be offered accomodation in unsocial circumstances - on the otherhand they are "only cleaners" and should be happy with their lot sleeping under Westminster Bridge.
That's right, spending tens of millions more building nice shiny accommodation blocks to put up cleaners for a few weeks would make more sense,
And yes, they have been provided with accommodation and adequate facilities. They're just not up to the standards some demand. For some reason people expect similar accommodation as the athletes.
Quote:Yes, I am surprised after seven years of politicians of all colours reminding us at every opportunity that these Games will offer a massive economic boost, then again I believed NatWest when they said that their ISA's would reward me three times over, they were effing liars too.
You're not daft. You know how politicians operate and you know to take their 'promises' with a pinch of salt. And not many (most?) previous modern-day Olympics have delivered a massive and long-lasting economic boost to their host countries, have they?
Odd how half of the threads on the sin-bin exist solely to tear apart political promises and statements, yet when it comes to the Olympic effect suddenly everyone believed every word that was said?
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Cronus wrote:I'm just glad none of those gleefully filling this thread with laughable links have had anything to do with the Olympics.
Yes, the G4S shambles is just that, a shambles. They've held their hands up and admitted as much. But find a solution, throw the book at G4S, kick them in the financials and get on with it. Or alternatively we could fill the media with negativity, moaning, enquiries so we can shake our heads and tut disapprovingly - just as we seem to do with everything these days.
So cleaners are sleeping in temporary portacabins? Wow, big deal. What do you expect - a cleaner's village alongside the athlete's village? Hotels? (have you seen the prices??) Christ, they're only there a few weeks to do a job and it's all over.
So big corporates demand exclusivity on the event - how dare they, when they only front up billions of pounds for the right. How dare they protect their massive investment. You don't hear this sort of whinging during the football or RU World Cups, or other similar events. In fact, one suspects it's because they aren't the big names certain people approve of, and it doesn't fit the nicey-nicey image of the Olympics. "What! McDonalds and Coke sponsoring the Olympics! Dammit, that doesn't fit my perception of slim, healthy, happy young athletes competing in the glorious sunshine."
So kids are told to wear Adidas or unbranded trainers. How dare Adidas insist on exclusivity just because they paid a rumoured £100m. How dare they insist theirs should be the only brand on display where possible.
So there won't be a massive economic boost from the games? What? Are people surprised by this? The recession won't be halted by 2 weeks of sporting events and neither will a few more people flying in & out of the country. Numbers of visitors will probably be up but will also be countered by business and some leisure travellers avoiding the travel chaos and staying at home over a 3-4 week period.
So there's going to be some inconvenience during the games. What? This is also a surprise? One of the largest events on the planet might cause some disruption? Who'da thought, eh?
Congratulations, I earlier accused Locog of being eager to fellate a mile-long corporate cock, you've outdone them.
WTF should anyone have to endure cramped, unsanitary and degrading living conditions, simply to clean for a sporting event? They're minimum-waged, they are also being charged for this accommodation. Why should all the rules regarding safe habitation be suspended, just so someone can make more money?
If Adidas want to ensure that their trainers are the only ones seen on the feet of the local kids involved in the opening ceremony, why didn't they GIVE the kids Adidas trainers? They get kids to make them for pennies, so it's not like they'd be in danger of bankrupting themselves is it?
Go back to sucking big-business cocks
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Cronus wrote:Because if you enjoy any moment of the Olympics, visit an event, buy some food or drink on site - you're a sell-out. A cheap hypocritical sell-out.
That is the same piss-stupid comment that Louise Mensch tried to make about the Occupy protests. Apparently, if you drink coffee, you can't be anti-capitalism. Not that Occupy have stated that they are anti-capitalist.
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Cronus wrote: And yes, they have been provided with accommodation and adequate facilities. They're just not up to the standards some demand. For some reason people expect similar accommodation as the athletes.
Indeed the site has been flooded and stagnant water lies on the ground, meaning the workers have had to resort to using old crates as makeshift ‘stepping stones’ to navigate through the camp site, it has been claimed.
Additionally the workers will apparentlyl bed down in dormitories for 10 and share lavatories with 25 people – and a shower with a staggering 75 others.
The Daily Mail article reports that when the workers arrived they were horrified to be told that there would be no work for them in the first fortnight, and that they were forced to pay the cleaning company £18 every day – £550 a month – for the accommodation in the crowded cabins.
If you consider the above to be "adequate facilities" then you're away with the fairies. Those facilities would fail almost any reasonable measure of adequate, apart from a Somali refugee camp.
Cronus wrote: And yes, they have been provided with accommodation and adequate facilities. They're just not up to the standards some demand. For some reason people expect similar accommodation as the athletes.
Indeed the site has been flooded and stagnant water lies on the ground, meaning the workers have had to resort to using old crates as makeshift ‘stepping stones’ to navigate through the camp site, it has been claimed.
Additionally the workers will apparentlyl bed down in dormitories for 10 and share lavatories with 25 people – and a shower with a staggering 75 others.
The Daily Mail article reports that when the workers arrived they were horrified to be told that there would be no work for them in the first fortnight, and that they were forced to pay the cleaning company £18 every day – £550 a month – for the accommodation in the crowded cabins.
If you consider the above to be "adequate facilities" then you're away with the fairies. Those facilities would fail almost any reasonable measure of adequate, apart from a Somali refugee camp.
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cod'ead wrote:Congratulations, I earlier accused Locog of being eager to fellate a mile-long corporate cock, you've outdone them.
WTF should anyone have to endure cramped, unsanitary and degrading living conditions, simply to clean for a sporting event? They're minimum-waged, they are also being charged for this accommodation. Why should all the rules regarding safe habitation be suspended, just so someone can make more money?
If Adidas want to ensure that their trainers are the only ones seen on the feet of the local kids involved in the opening ceremony, why didn't they GIVE the kids Adidas trainers? They get kids to make them for pennies, so it's not like they'd be in danger of bankrupting themselves is it?
Go back to sucking big-business cocks
Because, in the harsh realities of life, those working at the lower end of the scale don't enjoy the benefits of those at the top. They're in menial jobs paying probably minimum wage and I'm sorry, but it's a short-term temporary job - if you can't cope with sharing a room for a week or two, don't do it. The great cleaning staff crisis would slip nicely alongside the G4S drama.
I assume you have evidence health & safety rules have been ignored? Because whilst the accommodation is 'cramped', according to the contractor there are more than enough basins & toilets to adhere to H&S rules, and plenty of other facilities on-site such as internet, medical and entertainment.
As for the kids - they're not being told they MUST wear Adidas - they have the option of non-branded trainers. You can get them for about £2 from plenty of large high street outlets and well-known supermarkets. Not that I expect many kids today don't already own a pair of Adidas, so this is just another storm in a teacup.
I assume you will also be boycotting the game then? Sticking to your morals and having nothing to do with those nasty corporate monsters treading wantonly upon the poor and unassuming? Frankly, you're embarrassing in your naivety if you think the games don't need corporate sponsors. Go back to sucking post-op cocks.
Cronus wrote:And yes, they have been provided with accommodation and adequate facilities. They're just not up to the standards some demand. For some reason people expect similar accommodation as the athletes.
Having a wife and a daughter who work in the hotel industry and are more than used to working unsocial hours then strangely enough I do expect them to be shown some consideration when it comes to the demands made of them in their jobs.
In fact its commonplace in the hotel/hospitality industry to be offered transport and accomodation, in the case of my daughter many of her shifts are something like "6pm to finish" which literally means when the last guest has left the bar and as they cater for between 2 and 4 weddings every weekend then that is often right through the night - in those circumstances she is entitled to claim one of the hotel rooms rather than try and arrange transport home, believe me, that is commonplace in that industry.
The athletes accomodation is no more than adequate, its of a Travel Lodge style and I would expect that ancillary and service staff would be offered similar if their duties required them to work late and be available early the next morning, as many will be.
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Indeed the site has been flooded and stagnant water lies on the ground, meaning the workers have had to resort to using old crates as makeshift ‘stepping stones’ to navigate through the camp site, it has been claimed.
Additionally the workers will apparentlyl bed down in dormitories for 10 and share lavatories with 25 people – and a shower with a staggering 75 others.
The Daily Mail article reports that when the workers arrived they were horrified to be told that there would be no work for them in the first fortnight, and that they were forced to pay the cleaning company £18 every day – £550 a month – for the accommodation in the crowded cabins.
If you consider the above to be "adequate facilities" then you're away with the fairies. Those facilities would fail almost any reasonable measure of adequate, apart from a Somali refugee camp.
What? Standing water following weeks of torrential rain? Who'da thunk it eh? What an outrage. You wouldn't find that anywhere else in the country, of course.
How many is acceptable, in your opinion, to be sharing a dorm? Eight? Six? Or is it two in a nice en-suite room at the Premier Inn or nothing?
But yes, you're correct. Queues of 25 people outside each toilet and 75 people squeezing under the shower each evening is unacceptable. But hang on - what about shifts? What about the fact demand will be spread throughout the day? Nor would the press exaggerate the numbers, of course. Suddenly the Daily Mail is a reputable and trusted publication it seems!
"SOME" workers arrived to no work and paid for a bed for a week or two until they were needed. Stop the fecking press, that's a national outrage.
Indeed the site has been flooded and stagnant water lies on the ground, meaning the workers have had to resort to using old crates as makeshift ‘stepping stones’ to navigate through the camp site, it has been claimed.
Additionally the workers will apparentlyl bed down in dormitories for 10 and share lavatories with 25 people – and a shower with a staggering 75 others.
The Daily Mail article reports that when the workers arrived they were horrified to be told that there would be no work for them in the first fortnight, and that they were forced to pay the cleaning company £18 every day – £550 a month – for the accommodation in the crowded cabins.
If you consider the above to be "adequate facilities" then you're away with the fairies. Those facilities would fail almost any reasonable measure of adequate, apart from a Somali refugee camp.
What? Standing water following weeks of torrential rain? Who'da thunk it eh? What an outrage. You wouldn't find that anywhere else in the country, of course.
How many is acceptable, in your opinion, to be sharing a dorm? Eight? Six? Or is it two in a nice en-suite room at the Premier Inn or nothing?
But yes, you're correct. Queues of 25 people outside each toilet and 75 people squeezing under the shower each evening is unacceptable. But hang on - what about shifts? What about the fact demand will be spread throughout the day? Nor would the press exaggerate the numbers, of course. Suddenly the Daily Mail is a reputable and trusted publication it seems!
"SOME" workers arrived to no work and paid for a bed for a week or two until they were needed. Stop the fecking press, that's a national outrage.
Deary me today.
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JerryChicken wrote:Having a wife and a daughter who work in the hotel industry and are more than used to working unsocial hours then strangely enough I do expect them to be shown some consideration when it comes to the demands made of them in their jobs.
In fact its commonplace in the hotel/hospitality industry to be offered transport and accomodation, in the case of my daughter many of her shifts are something like "6pm to finish" which literally means when the last guest has left the bar and as they cater for between 2 and 4 weddings every weekend then that is often right through the night - in those circumstances she is entitled to claim one of the hotel rooms rather than try and arrange transport home, believe me, that is commonplace in that industry.
The athletes accomodation is no more than adequate, its of a Travel Lodge style and I would expect that ancillary and service staff would be offered similar if their duties required them to work late and be available early the next morning, as many will be.
You don't need to tell me what's commonplace in the hotel industry, I've been there.
But that's a world apart from cleaners working 24-hour shift rotas on a very short-term contract and staying in temporary accommodation for a major sporting event. It's a basic temporary workers' camp, nothing more. It won't be glamorous and it won't be of the highest standard. People will share facilities. It's might not be up to our inflated standards but it serves purpose.
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cod'ead wrote:That is the same piss-stupid comment that Louise Mensch tried to make about the Occupy protests. Apparently, if you drink coffee, you can't be anti-capitalism. Not that Occupy have stated that they are anti-capitalist.
Right, so it's ok to participate and enjoy the Olympics as long as YOU know, in your own mind, that the whole thing is a corporate disgrace and the poor saps that constitute the majority of the viewing public are just gullible.
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