It’s not so much that I want the destruction of sovereign nation states, but I think that over (probably a very long) time they’ll wither, as global problems demand global responses, or simply overwhelm us. Where I’m unconvinced by your argument, in that it’ll definitely or even likely happen in the way you suggest, is the idea that there is a single EU power base with a single ambition.

As Lo Kuan-Chung wrote, Empires wax and wane, states cleave asunder and coalesce. Brexit isn’t the end of the world - it is only the EU. But equally, you can’t convince that staying in was pants poo-ingly scary - it is only the EU.

Nope you attempted to put your own right wing fascist nationalistic spin crap on the E.U. origins .
The guy wpSpelloni was a vehement anti-fascist, imprisoned by the fascist friend of Adolf Hitler, Mussolini.
He was a visionary of his time who correctly foresaw the solution to stop wars in Europe was to curtail fascist nationalistic state dictators emerging again.
In that respect to date he got it right.

Now as regards the failed lefty you refer to, it can’t be me as I ran my own business till aged 55, could have retired before but liked my professional career so much kept at it.
I am not drawing state pension yet, neither am I drawing any of my personal or executive pensions, just living on my “allowances”.

I spend a smidgeon of my time laughing at Adolf Hitler wannabee’s As you.

Now if you like a challenge, tell us how much of your little house in Leigh you own

The majority of leave voters who I've asked why they wanted to leave the E.U. was "there are too many foreigners coming over here & taking our jobs & homes"



Why, a large number of people who voted to leave are Xenophobes.



But I'm not calling anyone a Nazi, nor have I insulted you in any way, it's just a shame you couldn't offer me the same geniality.

They’re all still so angry.

I wonder who the blame will fall on next.

Point 1 is anecdotal claptrap
Point 2, how do you know this? Or are you just guessing
Point 3, I didn't say YOU called anyone a NAZI and your initial post inferred that anyone who voted brexit is a xenophobe. So, yeah, you did insult me.

Regards point 1 I would say he is correct.
I have heard it from within my own family and circle of acquaintances.

“ Farage is right, we are overrun with foreigners and Muslims taking our jobs, homes, benefits, doctors,dentists, hospital appointments” , they say.

When you ask them about Polish WW2 pilots and Ghurkas etc they just look at you and say ah but that’s just probably anecdotal:D

For those who don’t buy into the whole nationalist / jingoism. Go see Jo Jo Rabbit. It may well be fiction but based on truth that whatever indoctrination of the right goes on there are still free thinking progressives in the world.

You’ve only got to look at America where a republican candidate lost the popular vote but was installed as president by a corrupt democracy.

That same president has now put himself effectively above the law, and become an “elected “ dictator.
He can do what he wants lawful or otherwise , unchallenged.

What’s next on his agenda?

You can see where Cummins is coming from

Spellini was anti-facist in the same way Josef Stalin was anti-fascist, given he was communist, and at times a Leninist and Stalinist.

I don't disagree with his reasoning regarding prevention of future conflict, but I do disagree vehemently with his solution.

And if you bother to read his writings you see the majority of his motivations were actually born of his communist/socialist roots: abolition of private property, socialisation of monopolies, redistribution of wealth, etc. That's right, the primal roots of the EU lie in communism, and if you dig into most EU acts and treaties over time promoting ever closer union you will find Spellini in the background, driving them on.

Of course, you blindly consider this 'spin'. It isn't.


You really are the gift that keeps giving - and absolutely typical of the intolerant left: faced with facts and losing an argument you resort to insults. Keep 'em up.

To paraphrase someone I'm sure you admire greatly, "I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single argument left."


I don't live in Leigh. Too many Romanians.

All of it. Quite a big house. Overlooks farmland, tha knows.

If you run a dairy what will happen to those that I presume supply you with your raw product once the EU grants stop because no way will they get anything from this government. I suppose it will be the survival of the fittest with those that cannot stand alone will cease trading.