The Swedish have been getting on their knees for the Yanks for years. How many times have the Swedish gone after their citizens for breaking American copyright laws? They're no different to us; Washington tells them jump and they ask for measurements.

Of course the UK and Sweden are totally corrupt. Do you live in some obscure world in which our political class are honourable and decent? Now that is ludicrous. I suppose you think Britain is a democracy and that pigs fly, too

Why are you arguing a case that even Assange and his QC are not? The only ground on which he appealed (and came close to succeeding) is whether or not for the purposes of the EAW the Swedish prosecutor was a "judicial authority".

The earlier hearings dealt with other matters. On the "USA" question, Assange's lawyers did NOT in the end pursue the point that if sent to Sweden he risked extradition to the USA. The court was not even told if Sweden HAS an extradition treaty with the USA, so could hardly have considered a point neither pursued nor on which any materials were presented to it.

Furthermore, even though the point was not pursued, the court (I thought helpfully) pointed out that if an extradition request was made to Sweden by the USA, the consent of the Secretary of State in this country will be required, in accordance with section 58 of the Extradition Act 2003, before Sweden could order Mr Assange’s extradition. I.e. by going to Sweden, Assange would not lose any protection he has from extradition in the UK courts, it would actually make zero difference, so that is just a total non-argument, and of course the reason why his lawyers rightly chose not to pursue it.

What? You mean someone has committed a crime and the Swedish arrested them? Those evil, lapdog b4stards.

Who the hell mentioned politics? This a legal issue, both the UK and Sweden have independent legal systems which decide these things, are they corrupted? If so what do they benefit from this corruption?

Wait! I've just seen something fly quickly through the sky! Now it could be a plane of course, but that's too boring and I can't pretend that major governments are involved in some kind of huge international conspiracy, so I've decided that it's not a plane, it is in fact an alien spacecraft containing Elvis who has just gone back in time to kill JFK and Michael Jackson.

no, it hasnt. It hasnt been proven in a British court, or a Swedish court. There has been a valid EAW, through the proper channels. There hasn’t, and isn’t the need for a prima facie case to need to be made for Britain to extradite someone to Sweden. One of the reasons the EAW was invented was to reduce the amount of evidence needed for extradition. Or as your Mr David Allen Green says

The main reason for the court ordering extradition was simply that a valid European Arrest Warrant (EAW) had been issued. If a valid EAW is correctly served on the correct person then, unless it can be shown that it is disproportionate, an abuse of process, or otherwise a violation of the defendant's human rights, a United Kingdom court is bound to order extradition, just as a Swedish court would be bound to order the extradition of a person requested by the UK government under an EAW

It was contended by Assange's UK lawyers that it was not a valid EAW, for it had not been issued by a competent authority. This was always going to be a difficult submission, as the EAW had already been certified by the United Kingdom's Serious Organised Crime Agency (SOCA). But even if there was still doubt on this, Assange's own expert witnesses from Sweden confirmed that it had been validly issued. Once this fundamental question had been decided then it would have been exceptional had the EAW been refused on any other grounds.


I dont doubt it was legally correct for him to be extradited, I havent argued otherwise. Im arguing the law is wrong and we should have more checks and balances to protect people who are innocent.

you seem to be doing your best to prove me right. Ecuador isnt perfect. Wow, they must be the only country in the world to not be perfect. Not like Britain whose relationship between press and government is, of course, perfect. Damn those swarthy southern americans, you just cant trust 'em like the swedesDoes it? Was he offered asylum by a liberal utopia?

Yeah, its definitely his fault Bradley Manning has been held for 800 days without trial.
Doesnt make him a rapist.

Who has committed a crime?

They havent done so.

Julian Assange has.


I disagree, I, and the courts believe there are allegations of rape and sexual crimes in Sweden for him to answer, but what would it take for you to think he should extradited?

I'm guessing pictures, in comic book format.