I don't understand the last paragraph. Are you claiming anyone who questions the official narrative are "conspiracists" rather than open minded ? By your tone I suggest you have a closed mind otherwise you too would be a "conspiracist" and we can't have that can we? So which is it? By the way, who are these people who claim "ANY terrorist killing was in reality done by the government?"

How about instead of "conspirasist" you use the term open minded, especially straight after the event. That after all is the best time to be so minded don't you think? rather than ridicule, which you appear to be doing which seems to be the case with people who use the term "conspiracy theorist" to undermine anyone who thinks.... rather than blindly follows.

To answer the original question ( if anyone can recall the original question ).

The IRA with all their bombing and murder didn't change too much so why should a few Islamist terrorists ?

Briliant. Standard truther counter. Straight in with "questions the official narrative".







And another. "Go straight to ad hominem". You're not very good at this, are you?





Nobody needs any help in finding them or reading what they spew.





No, I don't think that at all. I think that it is pretty straightforward in this case, that a man with very dark ulterior personal motivations has basically committed suicide whilst carrying out a terrorists atrocity. I have no grounds at all to seriously consider taht in fact it woz da guvenment or da CIA wot done it and to ruminate anally about the possibility is a sign of psychosis.







The thing is, truthers always want to claim the high ground, and you are "MIS thinking, not thinking, which is something entirely different. Next, all we need is you calling me "sheeple"

No, YOUR not very good at this. After all, you can't answer a simple question. Try again.

"Are you claiming anyone who questions the official narrative are "conspiracists" rather than open minded ?"



=#FF0000"And another. "Go straight to ad hominem". You're not very good at this, are you?

There you go, ridiculing again. In Latin too, how clever of you.



You consider it "pretty straight forward". How come? Love to hear why you think so. However, you did type =#FF0000"THINK.. that it is pretty straight forward" Careful now, you'll be classified as a "truther"





=#FF0000 "taht in fact it woz da guvenment or da CIA wot done it"

Whaaa???



Why am "I MIS thinking." Is that possible ?



And lastly, why this talk about "truthers"? No where in my statement did I apportion blame to anyone so why try to label me.. Rather I was arguing for an open mind whenever any event, no matter what that event is, takes place.



=#FF0000Next, all we need is you calling me "sheeple"



I'll leave the insults to you.

Of course not. The issue is not with being "open minded", but with the lack of critical faculties to do so in a reasonable way. If a large seagull shoites on my windscreen, I am not "open minded" that it might in fact have been a CIA operative trying to make me crash, or a leak from a jetliner chemtrail tank, or an alien death ray. I exaggerate to make the point, of course, but it is that there are times when it is reasonable to be "open minded", and other times when to claim to be "open minded" is stupid or even perverse.





I was pulling you up on switching to ad hom rather than sticking to a straight response. It would only be ridicule if you didn't know you were doing it, but you did. I object to ad hom rather than reasoned discussion. Use of "ad hominem" is normal conversation not pretension. Most understand such common phrases, including "e.g.", "et cetera", and they are part of normal discussion. Anyone not understanding it can google it in a second. You making any comment at all about it just therefore makes you seem pointlessly pedantic.





Very funny, but of course "truthers" is an ironic term. I thought it was straightforward then, and it seems indeed it was. The better question would be, why would a "truther" reasonably think it was not?





See my first point above. That is precisely the point, the befuddled and hard of thinking persuade themselves that this is what clever and deep-thinking people do, when in fact in most cases there is no justification for wasting time in navel-gazing and endless musings and madcap theories.

Trying to get in between the row: Miro, please, Occam's Razor would suggest that this action was the result of a crazed person.

As are most attacks.



As to can armed police stop such persons acting violently on our streets, the evidence of the average Saturday night is NO. Fortunately such individuals usually single out one or two persons and rarely go as far as killing them.

This subject under discussion on ' Sunday morning live ' on the Beeb ATM , again the simple question asked " How do you stop somebody willing to die from killing potentially hundreds of people without actually shooting them ? "

And therein lies the problem.

Any attacker who is "happy" to die for their cause (whatever that may be), is very difficult to defend against.



The Nice incident was impossible to defend.



There has to be more done to cultivate an environment where there is more tolerance in the world, on all sides but, currently The Middle East is extremely volatile and with Mr Trump trying to gain power in the USA, the world will become less stable.



It's only a matter of time before something on a similar scale happens in the UK.

It's even worse than that. There only ever was a Nice incident because the lunatic managed to perpetrate the act. But had he been barred from driving into the area, then nobody would ever know or even suspect that such an insignificant "stop" had prevented a massacre.

It would have been nigh on impossible to blockade every French Town/City centre for the Bastille Day celebrations and if, a "lock down" is required before any "mass" gathering of people, there are all sorts of issues with staging these type of events. Even the different types of "protest" march that we regularly see in England, would become difficult to stage.

Of course, any type of gathering can become a target, if somebody or organisation wishes to target civilians (The Boston Marathon being a prime example).



Ultimately and ironically, this ends up being part of the cost of freedom.

100% false flag

We don't bother addressing mass killings on the roads anyway so why would the government bother arming for potentially saving just a handful of deaths by comparison. Such a waste of money, I mean it's only a few here and there, no big deal really is it. Acceptable casualties of life and all that!



1700 deaths on the roads at the hands of the real threat to our society that are motorists and the 22,500 serious injuries caused by same every single year is a national disgrace. if 6 people were killed every single day by terrorism there would be an outcry and public condemnation of the government for not doing anything solid to stop it. And yet we celebrate that this number is acceptable and the lowest it's been.



Armed police, ing ridiculous, fight the cause at its roots not the outcome ffs!

Don't be stupid. Motorists aren't a threat to society. For every crash caused by a pillock driving stupidly there's one that is purely an accident.



I agree it's an issue and that the media and government blow every terrorist incident way out of proportion but don't try and label motorists as some kind of threat. The vast majority of motorists drive perfectly safely.



If we want lower road deaths we need much harsher punishments for the minority that drive like pillocks and a massive road building and improvement scheme across the entire country to reduce congestion and make roads safer for everyone. Not labelling and attacking motorists as a whole. That's exactly what the media and the government do with Muslims, despite the vast majority having nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.

The media deliberately slant their news print to sell newspapers.

Although they may report real life events, they pick and choose what they report, purely for impact.



Occasionally they will purge certain topics to create concern, hysteria, sometimes even euphoria but, nobody should think that the press is balanced.

We are drip fed the media moguls personal agenda.



If they reported every death on the roads there would be public outcry but, as you rightly say, very few motorists set out injure someone else.

Of course, some drivers do increase the risk, drink, drugs, speed, needless aggressive driving etc.

throwing personal insuts immediately defeats anything you had to say, but actually motoring/motorists ARE the biggest threat and have being for decades to our society. I guess you think that 30,000 pollution deaths from motoring is no big deal, I guess the cost to the nation of subsidising every single motorist is no threat to our nation. I presume you think that obesity levels that cost the NHS billions due to people being sat in cars are no threat to our society, what about the £30billion cost to the nation just from thos KSI stats?

Motoring is far more a bigger threat to our society than terrorism ever could be, you simply have no idea!!

Obesity levels are because people eat too much and dont exercise enough. I drive everywhere, including the 30 second drive to work and im not fat. Do you know why? Because i dont fill my face with junk food whilst sat in front of the TV like 95% of the population. If you are fat, you eat too much (bar those that have an underlying condition), not because you have a car.



Regards



King James

Lol. I think you've pretty comprehensively defeated yourself there.

There is a lot of evidence between private car use and obesity levels and why people don't exersice enough. maybe you might want to bother to do some research and not use a singular anecdote as facts.

regards

People dont exercise enough because they are lazy, not because they own a private car. Its like saying people are fat because they own an oven.



Regards



King James

Missed this Gem. Why is it, whenever there is some major incident it's always either a false flag or the cia's doing? Why can't conspiracy nut jobs just apply ochams razor?



Regards



King James

You don't live in London, where we have had terrorist attacks more than once over a number of decades and where, it's fair to say, we probably expect that they might happen again – or at least that a tiny minority of loons will be contemplating such attacks even as I post.



Personally, the IRA rattled the windows of my home twice. I heard their bombs more than that.



I work in an area of London just around the corner from two of the 7/7 bombs. I know people who ran out to help. There is an acknowledged (ie obvious) potential target in such an area, and my employer works in conjunction with the unions, the police and other local businesses to maintain and build vigilance.



I'm going to suggest that you don't have a clue what that actually feels like or is about. I doubt you've ever actually heard a bomb explode – let alone several, let alone ones that you can later identify as having killed other human beings.



Can we stop another Nice? Not by policing – simply because no nation on this earth can police each and every street and each and every public gathering at every moment of every day of every month of every years.



Try to use the stuff between your ears.



And will it always be London? No – just as it won't always be Paris. It will be what some tiny group or some lone idiot is near to and thinks possible.



So what are YOU going to do? Run away and hide – thus giving into whatever terrorists happen to be busy at the time? Ask stupid, dumb questions on an internet form – or decide that no group or individual will stop you living your life and thus you'll get on with it?



It's your choice.



PS: I travelled to France for a holiday less than 24 hours after the Nice attack. I travelled through Paris less than 24 hours before the attacks last November. I do not find the nearness comfortable.

A fair enough post , as I said I asked as a question , you are right I don't live in or near to or even visit regularly what could be described as an obvious target ( not a choice based on the possibility of Terrorism I'd add , I just don't like big cities )



I have heard a bomb go off strangely , the IRA bomb in Warrington , I was working about half a mile away at the time , but admit it obviously didn't register at the time

Fwiw its not always a false flag or CIA but maybe just maybe sometimes it is exactly that !!



No cctv footage (Israeli based owned fim who runs nice systems)



No blood on the ground or on that massive WHITE truck



Only filmed footage was from Richard Gutjahr a German Zionist Christian who studied in Germany, France and United States. He is married to former Israeli Mossad agent and Knesset member Lieutenant Dr. Einat Wilf.



I see you don't want to open your eyes so enjoy your fluoride infested water and good day to you

Looking like a similar attack in Berlin