Post subject: Re: Theresa May announces a bumper payday for migration lawy
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:59 pm
cod'ead
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Ajw71 wrote:Labour have pressed for legislation too according the BBC article.
But yes, 'Tory Policy = Automatically Bad'.
Sentencing guidance was issued last year to judges. May is unhappy that some judges appear not to have followed her guidance, so now she proposes new primary legislation. Completely ignoring the fact that no two cases are the same, especially in regard to the personal circumstances of defendants. This is a proposal to interfere with the independence of the judiciary and is bound to end in the drafting and implimentation of even worse law.
There will be two outcomes:
1) more cases will end up at Strasbourg, with all the associated costs and time delays
2) the government can add the judiciary to the long list of professions, including teachers, nurses, doctors & surgeons, that they have managed to alienate through their dogmatic attempt to appeal to the lowest common denominator
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Post subject: Re: Theresa May announces a bumper payday for migration lawy
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:10 pm
Sal Paradise
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JerryChicken wrote:Not automatically bad, just often not thought through correctly with attention to detail or consideration for all aspects and effects, we have had government by soundbites for far too long, of all colours.
A bit like Brown's decision to scrap the 10% tax rate!!
Even these pesky reds make bad decisions?
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Post subject: Re: Theresa May announces a bumper payday for migration lawy
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:13 pm
JerryChicken
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Sal Paradise wrote:A bit like Brown's decision to scrap the 10% tax rate!!
Even these pesky reds make bad decisions?
You missed the bit where I mentioned "of all colours" then, the bit right at the end...
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Post subject: Re: Theresa May announces a bumper payday for migration lawy
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:20 pm
Dally
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Sal Paradise wrote:A bit like Brown's decision to scrap the 10% tax rate!!
...and to introduce it in the first place.......and Ed now having a great new idea... to introduce a 10p tax rate! That's such a great election swinging idea, one to really get the UK going forward, the sort of big idea that only a great statesman could conceive.
Post subject: Re: Theresa May announces a bumper payday for migration lawy
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:31 pm
Sal Paradise
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cod'ead wrote:Sentencing guidance was issued last year to judges. May is unhappy that some judges appear not to have followed her guidance, so now she proposes new primary legislation. Completely ignoring the fact that no two cases are the same, especially in regard to the personal circumstances of defendants. This is a proposal to interfere with the independence of the judiciary and is bound to end in the drafting and implimentation of even worse law.
There will be two outcomes:
1) more cases will end up at Strasbourg, with all the associated costs and time delays
2) the government can add the judiciary to the long list of professions, including teachers, nurses, doctors & surgeons, that they have managed to alienate through their dogmatic attempt to appeal to the lowest common denominator
It is the role of the judiciary to implement the law not make it - no wonder many are confused by the disparity in sentencing for very similar offences. Judges are after all public servants who should abide by the rules laid out by their employers like the rest of us or are they - as they seem to think - above the legal process?
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Post subject: Re: Theresa May announces a bumper payday for migration lawy
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:15 pm
cod'ead
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Sal Paradise wrote:It is the role of the judiciary to implement the law not make it - no wonder many are confused by the disparity in sentencing for very similar offences. Judges are after all public servants who should abide by the rules laid out by their employers like the rest of us or are they - as they seem to think - above the legal process?
Thanks for confirming that the legal system can be safely added to the long and ever increasing list of subjects you appear to be completely clueless about
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Post subject: Re: Theresa May announces a bumper payday for migration lawy
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:52 pm
Kosh
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Sal Paradise wrote:It is the role of the judiciary to implement the law not make it - no wonder many are confused by the disparity in sentencing for very similar offences. Judges are after all public servants who should abide by the rules laid out by their employers like the rest of us or are they - as they seem to think - above the legal process?
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Post subject: Re: Theresa May announces a bumper payday for migration lawy
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:56 pm
Dally
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Sal Paradise wrote:It is the role of the judiciary to implement the law not make it - no wonder many are confused by the disparity in sentencing for very similar offences. Judges are after all public servants who should abide by the rules laid out by their employers like the rest of us or are they - as they seem to think - above the legal process?
Post subject: Re: Theresa May announces a bumper payday for migration lawy
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:48 am
BrisbaneRhino
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Anyone who gets the chance should go and spend a day watching sentencing hearings at a court. Very enlightening as to the reasons for disparities in sentencing, varying from individual prior records, support from family and friends and the whole demanour and attitude of defendants in court.
My experience greatly improved my almost completely uneducated view of judges, and I for one am very worried by any attempt by politicians to impose mandatory sentencing for specific crimes.
Post subject: Re: Theresa May announces a bumper payday for migration lawy
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:49 am
sally cinnamon
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JerryChicken wrote:I think you'd be severely disappointed then to find that you'd probably be tried and incarcerated in that foreign country rather than deported.
Indeed. In lots of places you'd be tried and found guilty without proper legal representation and then face the firing squad.
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